Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/04/2022 01:00 PM Senate FINANCE

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01:39:40 PM Review of Judgments and Claims:
03:12:22 PM Adjourn
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       April 4, 2022                                                                                            
                         1:38 p.m.                                                                                              
1:38:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:38 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Donny Olson [via teleconference]                                                                                        
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Megan Wallace, Director,  Legislative Legal Services, Alaska                                                                    
State Legislature.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Cori Mills, Deputy Attorney General, Department of Law.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REVIEW OF JUDGMENTS AND CLAIMS:                                                                                                 
     DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                          
     DIVISION OF LEGISLATIVE LEGAL                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  relayed that the committee  would consider                                                                    
a  review  of judgments  and  claims  and would  consider  a                                                                    
presentation  by  the Department  of  Law  as well  as  hear                                                                    
testimony from  the Legislative  Legal Division.  He thought                                                                    
the  committee  would hear  about  at  least ten  issues  of                                                                    
concern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^Review of Judgments and Claims:                                                                                              
     Department of Law                                                                                                        
     Division of Legislative Legal                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CORI MILLS, DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT OF LAW (via                                                                    
teleconference),  relayed  that  she would  be  providing  a                                                                    
background  and  overview  of  the  state's  judgements  and                                                                    
settlements.  She  would  discuss   the  background  of  the                                                                    
Department of Law  and common elements of  the judgments and                                                                    
settlements. She referenced  a spreadsheet document entitled                                                                    
"Judgments  and Settlements  of Significant  Interest" (copy                                                                    
on file). She would briefly cover the listed items.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills wanted  to offer  context for  the judgments  and                                                                    
settlements,  and she  provided that  the Department  of Law                                                                    
handled thousands of  cases at any given  time that involved                                                                    
numerous   claims  against   different  state   agencies  or                                                                    
officials. Every year the supplemental  budget had a section                                                                    
that  included judgements  and settlements,  which signified                                                                    
settlements of  court cases or prelitigation  settlements as                                                                    
well  as  attorney  fees  from  judgements  and  settlements                                                                    
reached  in  cases. She  noted  that  amount listed  in  the                                                                    
supplemental appropriation  was a fraction of  the thousands                                                                    
of  cases  the department  handled  in  any given  year  and                                                                    
represented cases without an existing fund source.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills detailed that the  civil division had 1,352 active                                                                    
cases ranging  in administrative litigation in  the superior                                                                    
court, federal  court, or the  supreme court.  She continued                                                                    
that some  of the  cases were  affirmative cases,  where the                                                                    
state  was the  plaintiff seeking  damages or  recovery. She                                                                    
cited  that the  Department of  Law had  recouped around  $2                                                                    
million  in fraudulent  Medicaid  payments,  $52 million  in                                                                    
taxes,  royalties  and  attorney fees  in  natural  resource                                                                    
cases;  and  another  $5.3 million  in  consumer  protection                                                                    
cases.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:43:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  continued her remarks  and discussed  cases where                                                                    
the state and one of its  agencies or officers were named as                                                                    
a  defendant in  a  case where  damages,  recovery fees,  or                                                                    
attorney fees  were sought against the  state. She explained                                                                    
that in many  of the cases where the state  was a defendant,                                                                    
there  was  an  existing  funding  source  to  pay  for  the                                                                    
judgement  or  settlement, the  largest  of  which were  the                                                                    
state's tort lawsuits. She  mentioned risk management, which                                                                    
had funds to pay for cases.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  identified that there were  certain cases without                                                                    
a  fund source,  and the  total amount  for the  judgements,                                                                    
settlements   and   attorney   fees  were   put   into   the                                                                    
supplemental budget  for payment in a  timely manner without                                                                    
too  much interest.  She detailed  that the  amounts in  the                                                                    
supplemental  varied greatly  from  year  to year  depending                                                                    
upon the  kind of case.  She thought there was  a three-year                                                                    
time horizon requested  by the committee. She  cited that in                                                                    
FY 20, the  total for the supplemental budget  was around $7                                                                    
million,  with the  following year  being $1.8  million, and                                                                    
the current amount was closer to $1.1 million.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  continued that many  of the payments  were court-                                                                    
ordered  payments   from  judgements  issued  by   a  court.                                                                    
Additionally, some  payments were  settlements that  may not                                                                    
have been court  ordered but were a contract  that the state                                                                    
had entered;  any amount was  subject to  appropriation. She                                                                    
explained that most cases settled  in advance and did not go                                                                    
to trial,  which saved the state  money and did not  clog up                                                                    
the courts while  allowing parties to move  on more quickly.                                                                    
She   emphasized   that   paying  the   settlements   showed                                                                    
negotiation  in good  faith and  ensured  future success  in                                                                    
settling matters out of court with other parties.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:47:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  discussed attorney's fees  and noted  that Alaska                                                                    
had unique  attorney's fees laws  compared to  other states.                                                                    
Alaska  allowed for  parties that  won a  lawsuit to  get at                                                                    
least a portion  of its attorney's fees, which  was often 20                                                                    
percent.  She  continued that  there  were  some rules  that                                                                    
could expand  or contract the  amount of attorney  fees. She                                                                    
referenced AS  09.60.010, which allowed for  full reasonable                                                                    
attorney   fees  for   constitutional   claims,  with   some                                                                    
exception.  The  state often  could  not  get attorney  fees                                                                    
because there was usually some constitutional claim.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:49:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  addressed the question  of what items  that could                                                                    
be coming in the near future.  She was not sure of any cases                                                                    
that would be  added in the current budget  cycle but wanted                                                                    
to  address  items  that  could   be  on  the  horizon.  She                                                                    
referenced  a   Department  of  Transportation   and  Public                                                                    
Facilities  (DOT)  claim  regarding   a  contractor  in  the                                                                    
Ketchikan area.  She continued that DOT  had terminated with                                                                    
a Juneau contractor for default.  She anticipated that there                                                                    
would be  additional damage proceedings  in May  because the                                                                    
administrative  law judge  had already  determined that  the                                                                    
contractor  was  wrongfully   terminated.  She  mentioned  a                                                                    
number of  cases currently before the  Alaska Supreme Court,                                                                    
which  could   possibly  result   in  required   payment  of                                                                    
attorney's fees.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  referenced a case  involving forward  funding, in                                                                    
which the  administration and the legislature  were at odds.                                                                    
She mentioned a case involving  an effective date clause, in                                                                    
which the administration and legislature  were also at odds.                                                                    
She mentioned  a case involving  the Higher  Education Fund.                                                                    
She  mentioned a  case involving  unions, and  a case  about                                                                    
contamination and  Flint Hills  Resources Alaska.  The state                                                                    
had won at the lower court  in the Flint Hills case, but the                                                                    
decision had been appealed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills relayed  that she would begin  to discuss specific                                                                    
cases listed  on the spreadsheet.  She referenced Item  1 on                                                                    
the  spreadsheet, the  Recall Dunleavy  v.  State of  Alaska                                                                    
case,  and  relayed  that  the   judgement  amount  was  for                                                                    
attorney's fees and not damages.  The case involved a recall                                                                    
petition filed with the Division  of Elections, which denied                                                                    
the  petition  on  statutory  grounds.  The  superior  court                                                                    
upheld  the  recall petition  save  for  one item,  and  the                                                                    
supreme  court  upheld  the  superior  court  decision.  The                                                                    
prevailing party  sought attorney's  fees, which  was listed                                                                    
in  the judgements  and settlements  accounts. She  detailed                                                                    
that the current  amount was for the supreme  court, and the                                                                    
superior court fees were in the previous year's budget.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:54:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked for  help interpreting  the numerics                                                                    
of the cases Ms. Mills was describing.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills specified  that the amount for the  first case was                                                                    
$197,631,  which accounted  for  the  judgement amount  plus                                                                    
interest. She  noted that the  chart also  showed department                                                                    
attorney costs,  which were listed  in column 12  and showed                                                                    
$146,687 as the cost to defend the state in the action.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof  referenced Item 1, and  thought the total                                                                    
cost was shown to be $344,000.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  answered "yes,"  and clarified  that the  cost in                                                                    
column  16   represented  the  amount  that   needed  to  be                                                                    
appropriated,  and  the total  cost  in  column 17  was  the                                                                    
judgement/settlement cost  plus the cost to  the department,                                                                    
which was paid from the operating budget.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about what "J and S" signified.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills clarified that J  and S represented judgements and                                                                    
settlements, which  was the part of  the supplemental budget                                                                    
being discussed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought it  was easier  for the  public to                                                                    
understand  testimony when  testifiers abstained  from using                                                                    
acronyms.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  looked at  column 16,  which showed  the                                                                    
amount  the legislature  would be  considering appropriating                                                                    
for the cost of the case.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills answered in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof asked if  there were criteria by which the                                                                    
state covered  the costs  for a state  employee, such  as in                                                                    
the executive  branch, versus a  case where the  state would                                                                    
not cover the costs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  answered  "yes."  She  relayed  that  she  would                                                                    
address the standards when she  spoke to Item 5 through Item                                                                    
7, which had  to do with lawsuits in which  the governor was                                                                    
named.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:58:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  asked how  many court cases  there had                                                                    
been over the definition or  certification of recalls in the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills stated  that from  a  statewide perspective,  the                                                                    
current  case  was only  the  second  case for  the  supreme                                                                    
court. She  thought the superior  court had heard  a handful                                                                    
of cases that dealt with recall.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if there  had been two recall-related                                                                    
cases before the supreme court.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills answered affirmatively and  noted that only one of                                                                    
the two cases had dealt with a state employee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills addressed  Item 2, the Vote Yes  for Alaska's Fair                                                                    
Share  v.  Meyer case,  which  dealt  with the  Division  of                                                                    
Elections.  She  explained  that   for  purposes  of  ballot                                                                    
initiatives,  the   lieutenant  governor  would   prepare  a                                                                    
summary  that went  on the  ballot as  a description  of the                                                                    
initiative. The  sponsor for the ballot  initiative relating                                                                    
to  oil  and gas  taxes  in  2020  had sued  the  lieutenant                                                                    
governor for the statement, and  one sentence that had to do                                                                    
with the Public  Records Act. Part of  the ballot initiative                                                                    
had to  do with the  confidentiality of documents  or making                                                                    
certain  documents not  confidential, and  there had  been a                                                                    
sentence  in  the  summary  about  the  Public  Records  Act                                                                    
applying. The  court had found  that the sentence  should be                                                                    
stuck,  but   also  allowed   the  lieutenant   governor  to                                                                    
institute at least a partial  new sentence into the summary.                                                                    
The case  went to  the superior court  and then  the supreme                                                                    
court. The payments had to do with attorney's fees owed.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills continued to address  Item 2. She looked at column                                                                    
12, which  showed the department's  cost to be  $71,428. She                                                                    
cited that column 16 showed the  amount sought to be paid in                                                                    
the supplemental budget was $78,117.  She thought the amount                                                                    
was for  attorney's fees  at the  superior court  level. She                                                                    
mentioned additional  attorney's fees for the  appellate and                                                                    
superior courts.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski   had  read  a  September   18,  2020,                                                                    
Anchorage Daily  News headline that claimed  that there were                                                                    
more lawsuits  filed against  election officials  during the                                                                    
first two years of Governor  Dunleavy's term than were filed                                                                    
in all four  years of the term of the  previous governor. He                                                                    
asked if the information was accurate.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  was not  familiar with how  many cases  there had                                                                    
been.  She mentioned  the Stand  for Salmon  initiative. She                                                                    
relayed that she  would not be surprised, based  on the fact                                                                    
that  the last  election  was held  during  a pandemic.  She                                                                    
thought there  were at least  five cases that were  a direct                                                                    
result  of the  pandemic,  and requests  to change  election                                                                    
rules.  She  knew there  had  been  an uptick  in  elections                                                                    
litigation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski understood  that the  sponsor of  Vote                                                                    
Yes  had  contacted the  Division  of  Elections to  resolve                                                                    
concerns with the language, and  the division had refused to                                                                    
work with the sponsor.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills believed there were  discussions and asserted that                                                                    
ultimately there  was a decision by  the lieutenant governor                                                                    
with no requirement for the sponsor to be involved.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski thought the matter  would be shown as a                                                                    
pattern going  forward. He asked  if it would be  simpler to                                                                    
address  concerns by  working with  the  sponsor instead  of                                                                    
costing the state $149,000.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills thought  the matter was related  to policy choices                                                                    
that had  to be made and  thought the state must  ensure the                                                                    
summary was accurate.  The court had held  that one sentence                                                                    
needed to be struck, but the rest of the summary was fine.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski cited  that the  superior court  judge                                                                    
had ruled  that the  lieutenant governor  "tried to  put his                                                                    
finger on the scales" of the  election with the way he wrote                                                                    
the description.  He asked  if that was  what the  judge had                                                                    
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  believed  that  Senator  Wielechowski  had  read                                                                    
wording from  the Superior Court  decision but was  not sure                                                                    
it  translated  to how  the  supreme  court categorized  the                                                                    
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:06:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  asked if  the department  or executive                                                                    
branch  were  willing  to  change  policies  and  work  with                                                                    
sponsors of initiatives in order  to avoid costly litigation                                                                    
that required time, energy, and money.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Mills  thought   the  decision   was  one   for  every                                                                    
administration to make.  She was not familiar  with what had                                                                    
happened in the past but did  not know there was a policy in                                                                    
place  and  thought each  new  lieutenant  governor and  the                                                                    
division determined how it would deal with the issue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von   Imhof  thought  when   there  was   a  ballot                                                                    
initiative  or  referendum  there  needed to  be  a  certain                                                                    
number  of  signatures.  She described  initiative  sponsors                                                                    
efforts  in   getting  signatures,  including   language  to                                                                    
provide  information to  potential  signers. She  considered                                                                    
that if there  was a change in the  writing after collecting                                                                    
signatures, a sponsor would have  to get new signatures. She                                                                    
thought  that the  change might  have been  a factor  in the                                                                    
lawsuit.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  was not sure  whether Senator  von Imhof's                                                                    
comments were accurate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  believed  the  certification  decision  for  the                                                                    
petition had happened pretty close  to having two months for                                                                    
the  sponsors of  the initiative  to gather  signatures. She                                                                    
could not  recall when the discussions  happened versus when                                                                    
the booklets  were printed, but all  of it had to  happen in                                                                    
an expedited fashion.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski thought  the issues had to  do with the                                                                    
way the summary  was written on the ballot and  did not have                                                                    
anything to do with the collecting of signatures.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  affirmed that  the ultimate  court case  had been                                                                    
regarding the  ballot summary and  the same  summary usually                                                                    
appeared on the petition. There  was a petition summary that                                                                    
was  required as  well, and  there had  been slight  changes                                                                    
between the  summaries. Both of the  summaries had initially                                                                    
been challenged,  but ultimately the challenge  came down to                                                                    
the ballot summary.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:10:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills addressed  Item 3, The Alaska Landmine  LLC et al.                                                                    
v. Dunleavy et al. She noted  that the document made note of                                                                    
the  fiscal  year on  the  side.  The Alaska  Landmine  case                                                                    
involved a blogger that brought  a complaint in the superior                                                                    
court that he was left out  of press conferences, and it had                                                                    
violated  his  constitutional  rights.  The  case  had  been                                                                    
settled fairly  quickly, and Mr. Landfield  had been allowed                                                                    
back  into press  conferences.  The  settlement covered  Mr.                                                                    
Landfield's attorney's fees  that had been spent  to date on                                                                    
the case. She directed attention  to column 12, which showed                                                                    
that the department's internal cost  had been $54,000, while                                                                    
Mr.  Landfield's  attorney's  fees  and the  amount  in  the                                                                    
settlement had been $65,789.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if the  total cost to the  state was                                                                    
$120,099.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills answered in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski thought  Ms. Mills  had indicated  the                                                                    
case was  resolved quickly and  cited that according  to the                                                                    
court  decision,   Mr.  Landfield  enjoyed   implicit  press                                                                    
credentialing  and access  to the  current governor's  press                                                                    
conferences beginning January 23,  2019. The defendants then                                                                    
implicitly  revoked  Mr.  Landfield's press  credentials  in                                                                    
October   2019  absent   any   explanation.  The   defendant                                                                    
initially  indicated  that  the removal  was  an  oversight,                                                                    
however the  revocation was never remedied  or rescinded. He                                                                    
recounted that Mr. Landfield had  sent multiple emails for a                                                                    
year asking  to for  the oversight to  be remedied,  and his                                                                    
attorneys had sent letters.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  opined that the case  appeared to have                                                                    
been  an  avoidable  situation and  thought  the  court  had                                                                    
issued  a harshly  worded decision,  which  stated that  the                                                                    
government's position was that  plaintiffs were not entitled                                                                    
due  process, because  the government  had not  provided due                                                                    
process. The court  went on to say that it  was untenable to                                                                    
assume that  a cornerstone  of our  nation's bill  of rights                                                                    
could  be  so impotent  that  it  could be  extinguished  by                                                                    
simple apathy or indifference.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   was   curious   as   to   why   the                                                                    
administration  had not  simply resolved  the case  early on                                                                    
when there  were emails being exchanged,  and when attorneys                                                                    
were  beginning  to  be  involved.  He  questioned  why  the                                                                    
administration had  not solved the  issue when case  law was                                                                    
so clear.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  suggested that not  all agreed that the  case law                                                                    
was extremely clear and cited  that there were cases on both                                                                    
sides of  the issue. She  clarified that her  comments about                                                                    
the  timing involved  the period  after  the department  had                                                                    
become involved.  She noted that the  administration had had                                                                    
a  "no   blogger"  policy  at  press   conferences  and  had                                                                    
determined it  was willing to  change the policy  and settle                                                                    
the case.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  wanted to clarify that  only after the                                                                    
plaintiff   initiated  the   current   litigation  did   the                                                                    
defendants  articulate that  it  followed  an unwritten  "no                                                                    
blogger" policy.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  answered in  the negative  and thought  there had                                                                    
been  disagreements  over  whether Mr.  Landfield  had  been                                                                    
informed of  the policy.  She asserted  that the  policy was                                                                    
followed by the communications office.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  cited that  he had read  directly from                                                                    
the  judge's decision.  He wondered  why the  administration                                                                    
did not appeal the case if the judge got it wrong.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills thought it was  important to recall the procedural                                                                    
stance of where the case was.  She recalled that there was a                                                                    
preliminary injunction  in which facts were  not argued. She                                                                    
thought  that if  the administration  was willing  to change                                                                    
its  policy,   it  was  preferrable  to   spending  more  on                                                                    
continuing with the case.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:17:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills addressed  Item 4,  pertaining to  the the  Keren                                                                    
Lowell/ACLU   demand   letter.   The  item   involved   pre-                                                                    
litigation. She did  not think litigation had  been filed in                                                                    
the  case, but  there  was  a demand  letter  that had  been                                                                    
served  on  the  state alleging  wrongful  termination.  She                                                                    
relayed  that the  matter pertained  to an  employee of  the                                                                    
Alaska State  Council on the  Arts, who's position  had been                                                                    
eliminated along  with the entire council  under the budget.                                                                    
When the council received money  again after a change in the                                                                    
budget, the  council was reinstated, and  Ms. Lowell applied                                                                    
and was denied  re-hire. She cited the  department's cost of                                                                    
$27,300,  and  Ms.  Lowell   received  $85,000  through  the                                                                    
settlement.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski asked  for the  reason Ms.  Lowell was                                                                    
not rehired to the council.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills thought  the point would be debated  by both sides                                                                    
and could not cite the full facts of the case.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski stated that  according to his documents                                                                    
and those reported  in the press, the  executive director of                                                                    
the council  said that Ms.  Lowell was  irreplaceable. There                                                                    
was a  veto that  eliminated the arts  council, and  all the                                                                    
employees were laid  off. When the council  was restored, it                                                                    
reached out to  remaining staff for re-hire.  He thought Ms.                                                                    
Lowell was  specifically rejected  by the  governor's office                                                                    
because  of  statements  made  on  social  media  about  the                                                                    
governor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills  thought   Senator  Wielechowski  was  accurately                                                                    
representing what was alleged by Ms. Lowell.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:20:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills addressed  Item 5, Parker v. Dunleavy,  et al. She                                                                    
commented  that  she would  take  a  moment to  discuss  the                                                                    
background of a  group of cases. She noted that  Items 5, 7,                                                                    
and 8  were in the same  category and she would  address the                                                                    
cases  together before  going back  to address  Item 6.  The                                                                    
cases  all  pertained to  the  resignations  of a  range  of                                                                    
employees (seemingly  all partially  exempt or  exempt) that                                                                    
were requested  at the beginning of  the administration. The                                                                    
employees included Ms. Parker,  an Office of Public Advocacy                                                                    
attorney and two individuals who  both worked for the Alaska                                                                    
Psychiatric Institute (API).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills continued that Ms.  Parker had been terminated for                                                                    
the same reasons as the two  employees from API and that she                                                                    
did not  turn in  a resignation letter,  or she  thought the                                                                    
issue  in  the  case  may  have  been  the  wording  of  her                                                                    
resignation  letter.  She  noted that  outside  counsel  had                                                                    
represented  the state  in all  the  resignation cases.  The                                                                    
outside counsel fees  shown in column 12  were $213,859, and                                                                    
the  total including  the settlement  was  $339,407 for  the                                                                    
Parker case.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:25:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills continued  to address Item 5, Item 7,  and Item 8.                                                                    
She  detailed that  the  two individuals  from  API had  not                                                                    
turned  in  resignation  letters. She  discussed  settlement                                                                    
amounts for  the plaintiffs.  She noted  that in  cases that                                                                    
had a state  official named, in all of the  cases it was not                                                                    
just  the governor  or chief  of  staff, but  the state  was                                                                    
named  as well.  There had  been Section  1983 civil  rights                                                                    
claims  brought  as well  as  good  faith and  fair  dealing                                                                    
claims brought  against the state. She  discussed settlement                                                                    
of the  Parker case.  She discussed the  cases with  the API                                                                    
employers  and   explained  that  the  motion   for  summary                                                                    
judgement  was  about  whether  the  positions  of  the  API                                                                    
doctors  had been  in  the position  of  policy makers.  She                                                                    
referenced the Pickering Test.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills continued  that the  summary judgement  motion in                                                                    
the API case determined that  the positions were not policy-                                                                    
maker  positions.  The  second  inquiry  considered  whether                                                                    
qualified immunity  applied. The  court had  determined that                                                                    
qualified immunity  did not apply to  the positions. Shortly                                                                    
after  the  decision  was issued,  the  state  appealed  the                                                                    
qualified  immunity  issue.  The parties  settled  the  case                                                                    
before damages and the good faith and fair dealing claim.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:28:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  relayed that the  questions that had  arisen from                                                                    
the  cases pertained  to indemnification.  She referenced  a                                                                    
memo  by former  Attorney General  Bruce Botelho,  which had                                                                    
established  long-standing  departmental policy.  She  cited                                                                    
language from the memo that stated  that in the event that a                                                                    
state  employee  was sued  for  damages  in a  civil  action                                                                    
arising out  of their employment  with the state,  the state                                                                    
will provide  representation and indemnity  for compensatory                                                                    
damages if the  event or conduct for which  the employee was                                                                    
being sued  occurred in  doing their  job and  their actions                                                                    
did not  constitute willful misconduct, or  gross negligence                                                                    
or recklessness.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  cited that  the standard was  used often  and had                                                                    
been  used with  cases  against  commissioners, nurses,  and                                                                    
correctional  officers. The  standard outlined  in the  memo                                                                    
was applied at  the decision of the  attorney general, along                                                                    
with  the   decision  of  whether  an   employee  should  be                                                                    
indemnified and represented by the state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills pointed  out that in cases in which  the state was                                                                    
named, there  had been  a misconception  that the  state was                                                                    
not  named   in  the  lawsuit.  There   had  been  potential                                                                    
liability for the state in  the cases. She had heard another                                                                    
common misconception  that if the  amount was not  paid, the                                                                    
governor   and  former   chief  of   staff  would   be  held                                                                    
responsible.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:32:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski  referenced  Section  1983  claims  as                                                                    
mentioned  by  Ms.  Mills  and  asked  her  to  explain  the                                                                    
rationale.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski  asked   why  the  federal  government                                                                    
allowed Section 1983 claims for damages.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills informed  that Section 1983 claims had  to do with                                                                    
the deprivation of a civil  right, primarily looking at some                                                                    
kind of  constitutional right where  a court  determined the                                                                    
right was deprived by some action.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski referenced a  decision by Judge Sedwick                                                                    
which cited that the doctrine  of qualified immunity shields                                                                    
officials from  civil liability so  long as the  conduct did                                                                    
not  violate clearly  established  constitutional rights  of                                                                    
which a reasonable person would  have known. He asked if the                                                                    
department agreed with the statement.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills relayed that she was  not the attorney on the case                                                                    
and was not comfortable citing the case law.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:34:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski   believed    the   judge's   opinion                                                                    
reiterated the findings of the  United States Supreme Court.                                                                    
He  referenced the  doctrine  of  qualified immunity,  which                                                                    
protected  officials. He  cited that  the court  established                                                                    
that there was  a right to sue clearly  established if there                                                                    
was  a clear  foundation and  existing precedent.  The court                                                                    
went  on  to say  (in  the  Blanford  case) that  the  First                                                                    
Amendment violation  was clearly established and  would have                                                                    
been known  to any  reasonable government  official. Further                                                                    
the  court  stated  that  it was  beyond  debate,  based  on                                                                    
supreme  court precedent,  that it  was unconstitutional  to                                                                    
require non-policy-making  employees to signal  a commitment                                                                    
to a political agenda in order to retain their jobs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  continued that  the court  found there                                                                    
was  no  qualified immunity  when  a  clear violation  of  a                                                                    
constitutional right  had occurred. He cited  a November 27,                                                                    
2018,  letter  from  ten   legislators  that  indicated  the                                                                    
requested   resignations   were   a   clear   violation   of                                                                    
constitutional rights.  He asked  if Ms. Mills  recalled the                                                                    
letter and if the letter  had been considered in determining                                                                    
whether the employees should be restored.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills reiterated  that outside counsel was  used for the                                                                    
cases, and she  had not been the attorney of  record nor had                                                                    
she reviewed the  records. She only knew  what the decisions                                                                    
held  and what  the appeal  was about,  and what  the appeal                                                                    
points were. She did not have anything further to add.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:37:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von   Imhof  asked  if   the  legislature   had  to                                                                    
appropriate $200,000 and $275,000 for  the API doctors to be                                                                    
paid a settlement.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  cited that one  doctor was paid $220,000  and one                                                                    
was paid $275,000.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  asked  if  the  doctors  would  receive                                                                    
anything if the legislature did not appropriate the money.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills answered "no."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  pondered that  the  Department  of  Law                                                                    
settled with  the doctors  and pledged money  it was  not in                                                                    
control of.  She considered that  the department  had passed                                                                    
the  issue   on  to  the  legislature   based  on  political                                                                    
decisions made by the governor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills understood  Senator von  Imhof's characterization                                                                    
of the events.  She asserted that the state  could have been                                                                    
liable  for a  greater  amount  and would  have  had to  pay                                                                    
through  a court  order. The  case ended  up resulting  in a                                                                    
settlement that was subject to  appropriation, which did not                                                                    
obligate the legislature. She continued  that along with all                                                                    
the historical  precedent that  she was  aware of,  the case                                                                    
came to  an appropriate settlement to  avoid further expense                                                                    
and unnecessary litigation on the issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  for help  with  understanding  how                                                                    
common  the   situation  was  with  previous   governors  or                                                                    
governors  in  other  states  coming  up  against  qualified                                                                    
immunity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills had not been able  to do a review of other states.                                                                    
She thought someone in the other  body had done a law search                                                                    
and  had  not found  many  occasions  when the  court  found                                                                    
similarly to  the case  involving the  governor and  the API                                                                    
doctors. She  considered past instances of  challenges where                                                                    
a governor was  named, and thought it was  pretty common and                                                                    
she recalled two to three current cases.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  understood   that   all  governors   got                                                                    
litigated.  He  asked  how  often  the  issue  of  qualified                                                                    
immunity  came up,  and had  it  come up  with other  Alaska                                                                    
governors.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills was  not  aware of  other  cases where  qualified                                                                    
immunity had been found not to apply.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski  noted   that  particularly   in  the                                                                    
Blanford case, the governor and  his chief of staff had been                                                                    
sued in their official capacity  as well in their individual                                                                    
capacity. He  thought it was  rare that any  public official                                                                    
was  found  to have  violated  a  person's rights  in  their                                                                    
individual capacity, but  that is what the  court had found.                                                                    
He cited  that the  court said it  was "beyond  debate" that                                                                    
the action  was so clearly  political that the court  took a                                                                    
rare  decision  to find  the  governor  and chief  of  staff                                                                    
personally liable. The  state was found not  liable, and the                                                                    
governor  and  his  chief of  staff  were  found  personally                                                                    
liable.  The  state  had  agreed   to  settle  and  pay  the                                                                    
governor's  and chief  of staff's  personal attorney's  fees                                                                    
and  personal  liability  for   settlement  of  hundreds  of                                                                    
thousands of  dollars. He thought  the matter  was troubling                                                                    
to many Alaskans.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills wanted  to point out that there  were still claims                                                                    
of  good  faith   and  fair  dealings  that   had  not  been                                                                    
discussed.  She  recommended  that  the  committee  talk  to                                                                    
counsel  for  the   ACLU,  who  would  not   make  the  same                                                                    
characterization as made by Senator Wielechowski.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:43:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills addressed  Item 6, ACLU et al.  v. Dunleavy, which                                                                    
had  related to  a case  involving a  line-item veto  of the                                                                    
Court System  by the  governor. She noted  that there  was a                                                                    
comment made in the veto form  about the purpose of the veto                                                                    
related to  a Planned Parenthood  case, which the  court had                                                                    
found to be improper. She explained  that the case was not a                                                                    
damages case, but rather a  declaratory relief case in which                                                                    
the court  stated that the  veto action was not  proper. She                                                                    
detailed  that the  attorney's fees  were  about $88,000  to                                                                    
$89,000 for  the department, and  about the same  amount for                                                                    
the opposing party in the case.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if the  case was a fairly common item                                                                    
in  the  budget  process  since  statehood,  or  if  it  was                                                                    
uncommon.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills was not familiar  enough with the vetoes including                                                                    
when the  court system had  previously received a  veto. She                                                                    
was not aware of a similar case.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  could not  recall  other  vetoes tied  to                                                                    
actions by the courts.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski thought  Co-Chair Stedman  was correct                                                                    
and thought  it was clear  that the governor could  not veto                                                                    
another branch because of not  liking a decision it made. He                                                                    
mentioned  separation   of  powers.  He  pondered   how  the                                                                    
governor  was being  advised  on how  the  actions might  be                                                                    
unconstitutional.   He   wondered   if  the   governor   was                                                                    
disregarding legal advice.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills commented  that the  reason  there was  attorney-                                                                    
client privilege  was in order to  have candid conversations                                                                    
between counsel and policymakers.  She could not address the                                                                    
matter at a deeper level.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  shared concern over the  fact that Ms.                                                                    
Mills  could  claim   attorney-client  privilege  while  the                                                                    
legislature had  to pay the  bill. He hoped there  were some                                                                    
different policies in place, and  he understood the governor                                                                    
had  to get  advice. He  struggled  over the  fact that  the                                                                    
administration  could   do  whatever  it  wanted,   and  the                                                                    
legislature had to pay for it as the appropriating body.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:48:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills addressed  Item 9,  Alaska  State Legislature  v.                                                                    
Dunleavy,  et  al, which  involved  the  forward funding  of                                                                    
education. She noted  that the case was  currently on appeal                                                                    
before the  Alaska Supreme Court,  and there  were currently                                                                    
no attorney's fees to be  paid. The superior court had found                                                                    
in favor  of the legislature regarding  the forward funding.                                                                    
She thought the case was  fully briefed and was awaiting the                                                                    
court  decision.  The  department's  cost in  the  case  was                                                                    
$76,470.  She continued  that no  attorney's  fees would  be                                                                    
paid  until the  case was  concluded and  it was  determined                                                                    
that there was an amount owed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if the  case was  one in  which the                                                                    
governor sued the legislature.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills affirmed  that  the governor  could  not sue  the                                                                    
legislature. She  recounted that the governor  stated he did                                                                    
not  believe he  could pay  the education  funding, and  the                                                                    
legislature   had  appropriated   the   funding  two   years                                                                    
previously. The  legislature had  sued the governor  and the                                                                    
administration shortly before, and  an agreement was settled                                                                    
upon to make sure the monies could be paid out.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski  was   concerned  about   the  policy                                                                    
ramifications if  the administration  were to win  the case.                                                                    
He recounted  that there  were two  different issues  in the                                                                    
case.  The legislature  had passed  a  $30 million  one-time                                                                    
appropriation  outside the  funding  formula for  education,                                                                    
and the  governor simply refused  the pay the funds  out. He                                                                    
emphasized that the governor could  not simply refuse to pay                                                                    
something the  legislature had  appropriated. He  listed the                                                                    
second  issue  of  the  forward  funding  of  education.  He                                                                    
thought  if  the governor  prevailed  in  the case,  such  a                                                                    
judgement would  eviscerate the  capital budget  process. He                                                                    
discussed the ongoing nature of  capital project funding. He                                                                    
thought  winning the  case would  indicate atrocious  public                                                                    
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:51:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof considered  Item  9  and read  that  the                                                                    
department  had spent  $76,000  in  department funds,  after                                                                    
which the  court held up  the defense of the  legislature as                                                                    
legitimate.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills stated  that the superior court had  held that the                                                                    
legislature was in the right,  and the matter was on appeal.                                                                    
She did  not want  the public  to have  misconceptions about                                                                    
capital projects and clarified that  the case had been about                                                                    
an  appropriation that  was  made on  revenue  that did  not                                                                    
exist  at  the  time.  She furthered  that  capital  project                                                                    
involved funds for  the next fiscal year,  rather than money                                                                    
that would  be available in  a different fiscal year  in the                                                                    
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  the director  of Legislative  Legal                                                                    
Services to come to the  table. He referenced Item 5 through                                                                    
Item  8, which  dealt with  litigation against  the governor                                                                    
himself.  He  pointed out  the  question  of the  difference                                                                    
between being represented as the  governor by the Department                                                                    
of Law versus  as a private citizen. He  referenced an issue                                                                    
with former Governor Sarah Palin  known as "Trooper-gate" [a                                                                    
case involving  the possibly illegal July  2008 dismissal of                                                                    
the Department  of Public Safety commissioner]  in which the                                                                    
governor's employees  were responsible for dealing  with the                                                                    
legal issues  themselves rather  than having  the department                                                                    
to act as  counsel. He pondered the ability  of the attorney                                                                    
general in  deciding on the administration's  involvement in                                                                    
cases,  and  whether  the treasury  was  vulnerable  to  the                                                                    
current  and  future  attorney general's  decisions  on  the                                                                    
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN WALLACE, DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE LEGAL SERVICES, ALASKA                                                                    
STATE LEGISLATURE, addressed  the department's discretion in                                                                    
whether to represent the governor,  and deferred back to Ms.                                                                    
Mills  to  consider  what analysis  was  done  to  determine                                                                    
whether or  not the department would  provide representation                                                                    
at public expense. She summarized  that if the federal court                                                                    
decision  was  the  end  of  the case,  there  would  be  no                                                                    
question  that  it was  not  appropriate  for the  state  to                                                                    
provide  the cost  to  satisfy the  judgement  based on  the                                                                    
court's  decision with  respect to  the qualified  immunity,                                                                    
and  the   court's  decision  that  the   governor  was  not                                                                    
protected  with qualified  immunity. She  continued that  as                                                                    
Ms. Mills articulated,  the case was under  appeal and there                                                                    
was not  a final decision on  the merits by the  9th circuit                                                                    
or the Supreme Court of the United States.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace  affirmed that the  attorney general  had pretty                                                                    
wide discretion by  statute to decide whether or  not it was                                                                    
appropriate to  settle a  case on behalf  of the  state. She                                                                    
mentioned the  unprecedented nature of  a case in  which the                                                                    
governor was  not protected by  qualified immunity.  She was                                                                    
not prepared to say it had  not happened in other states but                                                                    
acknowledged that  it was a rare  circumstance. She pondered                                                                    
the unique question  of whether it was  appropriate that the                                                                    
state was  willing to  settle a lawsuit  in which  a federal                                                                    
court  only  stated there  was  personal  liability for  the                                                                    
governor and  the former chief  of staff. She  thought there                                                                    
was an  open public question  of whether use of  state funds                                                                    
to resolve the matter was appropriate.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace  acknowledged a risk  of the use of  funds being                                                                    
challenged,  but  thought  it   was  not  unprecedented  for                                                                    
governments  to cover  judgements and  settlements in  other                                                                    
cases  where  qualified  immunity  had been  deemed  to  not                                                                    
shield a government employee. It  was her understanding that                                                                    
the cases  were more common  with police officers  and other                                                                    
peace  officers.  She  thought   given  the  uniqueness  and                                                                    
unprecedented nature  of the case relating  to the governor,                                                                    
there  was  some   risk  of  challenge  if   the  money  was                                                                    
appropriated. She thought that  the real policy decision for                                                                    
the legislature was due to  the fact that if the legislature                                                                    
did not  appropriate the funds,  the plaintiffs in  the suit                                                                    
would not be compensated as agreed upon by the state.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop understood  that  Ms.  Mills had  indicated                                                                    
that  in  the  cases  relating   to  the  API  doctors,  the                                                                    
plaintiffs  agreed to  the terms  of the  settlement knowing                                                                    
that the funds were subject to appropriation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mills affirmed  that  the  settlement document  clearly                                                                    
made the payment amount subject to appropriation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked Ms. Wallace  to address Item  9, and                                                                    
the litigation dealing with  appropriation. He recalled that                                                                    
the  governor  was going  to  sue  the legislature,  and  he                                                                    
thought it was not possible.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:00:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace noted that  the Alaska Constitution specifically                                                                    
prohibited  the  governor  from   filing  suit  against  the                                                                    
legislature. She  thought there  could be  confusion because                                                                    
there were  multiple lawsuits  pending relating  to disputes                                                                    
between  the legislature  and the  governor. She  referenced                                                                    
Item  9,  which  correctly  described  the  forward  funding                                                                    
matter that was currently  pending before the Alaska Supreme                                                                    
Court. There  was a  second matter  also pending  before the                                                                    
Alaska  Supreme Court,  the  Taylor  v. Legislative  Affairs                                                                    
Agency  case, which  was initiated  by the  attorney general                                                                    
against  the Legislative  Affairs  Agency in  the summer  of                                                                    
2021 with respect  to a dispute between  the legislature and                                                                    
the  governor  over the  effective  dates  of the  operating                                                                    
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace  recounted that when  the budget  was originally                                                                    
passed by  the legislature, it  had failed to get  the votes                                                                    
sufficient  to approve  the special  effective dates  of the                                                                    
budget. She  continued that there  was some  dispute between                                                                    
the  branches of  government  in terms  of  the options  the                                                                    
governor had  to keep  the state  open without  an effective                                                                    
operating  budget.   She  cited   that  despite   the  clear                                                                    
constitutional restriction,  the attorney general  had filed                                                                    
suit against  the administrative  agency of  the legislature                                                                    
to  attempt to  litigate the  substance of  the claims.  The                                                                    
legislature   hired  outside   council   to  represent   the                                                                    
Legislative Affairs Agency. She  thought there might be some                                                                    
mix-up on the spreadsheet  with regard to departmental cost.                                                                    
She noted that  column 9 seemed to  reflect the departmental                                                                    
cost  for the  legislature in  retaining outside  counsel in                                                                    
the second  matter, in which the  Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                    
had a  ruling in  its favor from  the superior  court, which                                                                    
held   that  under   the   constitution   the  lawsuit   was                                                                    
prohibited.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:03:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills addressed  Item 10, which involved  the Power Cost                                                                    
Equalization  (PCE) Fund  litigation, which  was brought  by                                                                    
the  Alaska Federation  of Natives  (AFN) against  the state                                                                    
the  previous summer.  There was  no  settlement or  damages                                                                    
amount, but an  amount listed for attorney's  fees. The case                                                                    
involved whether  the PCE Fund  was subject to the  sweep of                                                                    
the  CBR. The  court  determined that  half the  plaintiff's                                                                    
argument was correct,  which had to do with  whether the PCE                                                                    
Fund was  in the General Fund  or not. The court  found that                                                                    
it was  not in the General  Fund, and the state  decided not                                                                    
to appeal the  case. The department costs  were $49,685. She                                                                    
apologized that  the case was  left of the  spreadsheet. The                                                                    
amount for the attorney  fees was $84,217, which represented                                                                    
60  percent of  the  amount sought  by  the plaintiffs.  The                                                                    
judge had  determined the plaintiffs  should not  be awarded                                                                    
the full fees and reduced the amount to 60 percent.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought there were concerns  that multiple                                                                    
administrations  had  always viewed  the  PCE  Fund as  non-                                                                    
sweepable, and  the there  was a  political change  with the                                                                    
current governor and  his first OMB director  who deemed the                                                                    
fund  as  sweepable and  removed  the  funds. He  referenced                                                                    
money spent  on the matter  for what he considered  merely a                                                                    
political re-definition.  He thought some of  the members of                                                                    
the legislature  found it  concerning that  some of  the new                                                                    
legal opinions  were costing time  and thousands  of dollars                                                                    
while providing nothing but confusion.  He thought there was                                                                    
some advantage  that the  PCE Fund was  now settled,  but it                                                                    
was  not yet  certain whether  the Statutory  Budget Reserve                                                                    
(SBR)  was  subject to  the  sweep.  He referenced  language                                                                    
produced  by  the Department  of  Law  as to  the  different                                                                    
opinions on the matter.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:08:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski  was   curious   if  the   department                                                                    
considered  the  issue  of  the PCE  Fund  to  be  resolved,                                                                    
considering that  there was a  superior court  decision that                                                                    
was not appealed to the supreme court.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills  noted that  although the state  had to  adhere to                                                                    
the  superior court  decision regarding  the  PCE Fund,  the                                                                    
decision was not  binding. She did not think  there would be                                                                    
a  differing  determination on  the  issue  from the  Alaska                                                                    
Supreme  Court, but  it could  occur in  the future  and the                                                                    
administration or  executive branch would have  to adhere to                                                                    
the decision. She mentioned  the Higher Education Investment                                                                    
Fund, which she  considered a different case  and dealt with                                                                    
the  availability of  the appropriation  and not  whether it                                                                    
was in the General Fund.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski clarified  that  because the  decision                                                                    
was not appealed to the  supreme court, the decisions on the                                                                    
PCE Fund  and other decisions  the court made that  were not                                                                    
appealed were not binding.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mills concurred.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof asked why there was a superior court.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought there  was not sufficient  time to                                                                    
discuss  Senator von  Imhof's question.  He emphasized  that                                                                    
the monetary  total for  the ten  cases being  discussed was                                                                    
$2.1 million, and cited concerns in the legislature.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked if the  $2.1 billion could be pulled out                                                                    
of the governor's budget.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman relayed  that  the  governor's budget  was                                                                    
being considered  in the Senate Finance  Budget Subcommittee                                                                    
and the subcommittee may not want to discuss the matter.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson wondered  if the funds had ever  come from the                                                                    
governor's budget  in the past  to settle similar  issues to                                                                    
the judgements and claims being discussed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thanked the  testifiers. He  discussed the                                                                    
agenda for the following day.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
3:12:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:12 p.m.